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Topic: Countermeasure Reading Room Update
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detector Administrator
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posted 04-12-2005 04:08 PM
Georgie Boy has updated his TLBTLD manual to version 4. Of course you all know where you can find that, but I added it to the Countermeasure Reading Room for comparison purposes to the last version.Basically, he has removed info on anal sphincter and breathing. I still wonder how George makes a living and has time to feed his resentments towards polygraph. Does anyone know how he is able to make a living and devote so much time to attempting to trash polygraph? I guess i'm just frustrated that we all have to work, take care of family, etc and still try to get the right information out to folks. Link to countermeasures reading room in case you forgot. http://www.polygraphplace.com/countermeasures user: counter pass: manuals ------------------ Ralph Hilliard PolygraphPlace Owner & Operator http://www.polygraphplace.com
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Taylor Member
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posted 04-12-2005 05:17 PM
Ralph - Thanks for all you do with this site. I have often wondered the same thing about George and his anti site. He is just an ugly person! In reading some of his tid bits - it seams he is leaning a lot towards mental countermeasures. By the way, is there anyway to find out if 'wdc' on this public board is in fact George? IP: Logged |
Barry C Member
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posted 04-12-2005 05:44 PM
It looks like Mickelson is now up to version 9. The new link is as follows: http://www.passapolygraph.com/downloads/pmanual9.pdf IP: Logged |
Barry C Member
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posted 04-12-2005 05:46 PM
WDC has emailed me in the past, and I don't think they are the same person. George has much more venom.IP: Logged |
Ted Todd Member
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posted 04-12-2005 05:55 PM
I believe Barry is correct here. WDC is a high ranking FOG but he is not George.Ted IP: Logged |
CHSBOY Member
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posted 04-13-2005 06:34 PM
WDC previously claimed (here)that he had posted on George's site as 'pillpopper' and '2timeloser'. This past week he got under George's skin (as pillpopper) by telling one poster he had gotten caught by a 'good interrogator,' when allegedly a bureau examiner got the poster to confess he had used drugs 0-3 times...or whatever. George got on and lamented with the original poster about being 'tricked' by the interrogation tactics. No, I don't think WDC/pillpopper/2timeloser is George. As for George's employment, that would be interesting because many of us would like a job which pay you while you play around on the Internet. IP: Logged |
CHSBOY Member
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posted 04-13-2005 06:41 PM
One more point...George has been sending folks to 'mental cms' for some time now. While not acknowledging that the new sensors are detecting and or detering butt actions, he knows enough to send folks to another area. Interestingly, he also noted in his new edition that mental cms also cause a pneumo change...he's getting smarter but still has a ways to go. Even his buddy, Dr. Drew R. hasn't yet warned folks about giving up the majority of their cms by their pneumo activity. They have no idea what they're doing. Let's keep it that way. The good news is that no matter how much info is out there, examiners who know what they're looking for (the tell-tale give-aways), will continue to have a leg up on those exmainees who try top put into practice what they read on George's site or in his book.
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sackett Moderator
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posted 04-13-2005 09:24 PM
Ralph, et al, I went back and looked at "wdc" and his previous posts. It seems he is an anti-poly do-gooder, (i.e. geek without a life) wanting to inform all non-informed folks how dubious polgraph is. Ralph, you might want to block him (somehow; you guys can do that..?) from posting; either that, or delete his postings once made as being non-supportive of the web site... I would rather help the uninformed than spend a lot of time defending what I know works and spurious research projects with questionable results.... Jim IP: Logged |
Ted Todd Member
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posted 04-14-2005 09:43 AM
Sackett,If you block WDC or "Whine-Deny-Cry", he will only reappear under another screen name and be even more pissed off. The little twit has no friends anywhere else and can't get anyone to play with him except on message boards. If you want to get rid of him.....don't engage him. Ignore his posts and he will go away. Take care, Ted [This message has been edited by Ted Todd (edited 04-14-2005).] IP: Logged |
sackett Moderator
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posted 04-14-2005 09:56 AM
I hadn't considered that, since I too am lonely and can't get anyone to play with me either...But, that's why you're "The Tedd!" :-) Jim P.S. Will miss ya in Chicago; I'll have a beer for you anyway. IP: Logged |
polyops Member
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posted 04-14-2005 10:37 AM
Regarding WDC, Ralph has already issued a warning, and I think we should all trust his judgment in this matter.Regarding the points CHSBOY raised, would anything in the new version of Georgie's "book" call for any change at all in the way we do things already? ------------------ John 8:32
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CHSBOY Member
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posted 04-16-2005 06:06 AM
Polyops,George's newest edition makes several minor changes to his respiration cm guidance but nothing which should adversely affect competent examiners using good common sense and proper procedures. Examinees following the Master's advice (George?) have no clue how they are affecting the tracings (until some of us tell them!) and most frequently, try harder as the test goes on. This is a clue because, as most of you know, rarely does any one question appear the same (or even greater in response) as the test goes on. Unless it's relevant...and that's o.k. From the banter I hear on this board, my guess (and take that for what it's worth...) is that the folks here are competent and conservative, and most likely will see the majority of cm attempts. Unfortunately, there are still many examiners (and I use that term cautiously) who deny the threat of cms or feel they can continue operating in the same manner. They will most likely be blown out of the water by some of the more practiced followers of George and never know it. Again, just one man's opinion but it's one based on seeing many exams where examiners denied the obvious in initial testing and 2-3 sessions later a new examiner got the cm confession. Good discussions, folks. Have a good weekend and pardon any typos...I trying to rush to get my first cup of coffee!
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polyops Member
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posted 04-21-2005 07:44 AM
CHSBOY,Thank you for answering my question. I fully agree with your point about thoes who deny the threat. As th e Good Book says, "Pride goeth before destruction, and a haughty spirit before a fall." ------------------ John 8:32
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